INTERVIEW: "There Are Different Types Of Boko Haram"- Senator Ahmed Khalifa Zanna - Blueprint Magazine

Senator Khalifa Zanna
By Ibrahim Sheme

Excerpts of a press briefing by Sen. Ahmed Khalifa Zanna (PDP, Borno Central), whose nephew was arrested by the military in Maiduguri last week for alleged membership of the militant Boko Haram sect. Zanna was a businessman before he ventured into politics, eventually winning the 2011 senatorial election after beating the then outgoing Governor Ali Modu Sheriff of the All Nigeria Peoples Party (ANPP)

Background:

I am sure you know about the story going round in the country or in the world about Boko Haram issue or security issue in Nigeria. The current story emanated from JTF. It is actually as a result of an interview which I carried out on BBC last week, asking for their (JTF) withdrawal from the state because they are not working according to the rules of engagement. I noticed that they are just killing innocent people, detaining them unnecessarily, harassing the public, extorting money; all these have been going on and I became so concerned, and particularly the killing and burning of houses became an order of the day. At least 300 hundred houses were burnt within the last one and half months. And it will not be an exaggeration for me to say that up to 500 people were being killed by the bullets of JTF.

I called for their recall because even the Boko Haram cannot do more than that. If they have come to protect us they are not supposed to be humiliating our young ones. Most of the people affected are the young ones. According to the information that I got, even yesterday, they have started even killing old men. Somebody who was about 70 was killed. He was sitting down listening to the radio and JTF now came and they said, “Baba, come.” So, they just took him to a certain distance and they shot him. This is the type of thing that has been happening in this country, particularly in the north.

So, my people are helpless and they don’t know where to run to. When they are ejected out of their houses they go to another place and tomorrow they (JTF) will go to that place and then start harassing the same people; so, people are just moving around with their luggage on their heads all the time. So, that warranted me to react.

For that, on Thursday they went to my house. I was in Warri at that time; I went for an oversight function. My wife called me and said, “The army people are at our gate.” Actually they went with four armoured vehicles; about 40 of them were taken to my house. They searched all the rooms and when they went to the children’s room they broke their cupboards, searched everywhere. When they couldn’t find anything they assembled all the boys in my premises, took them out and put them under the scorching sun of Maiduguri, and before doing that they beat them up; we had to take them to hospital later.

Under this traumatized condition they now asked them whether they knew one Shu’aibu Bama. They said, “Of course, we know.”

“Where is he living?”

One of them volunteered to go and show them where he lives. As they were going, when they were about to reach the house, they stopped, before they blindfolded the boy, they stopped and one of the officers asked the other army personnel to come down so that they should follow him to the house, without the boy showing them where the house is. As they started going the other officer sitting down asked him, “If you know the house why should we pick this boy?” So, an argument ensued between them and after some argument they went to the house and arrested the boy it was in Rabi Street, where the house is located and then the house belongs to Senator Ali Modu Sheriff.

I reacted because they said a serving senator and on Damboa Road. I am the only senator who lives in that street. I really don’t understand why they did all these things. I am confused. And if they want to frame me up, they have failed in that one because they did not get that boy in my house, so, I have nothing to answer for that. Let them go and ask the person where the boy stays, the person who owns that house. They shouldn’t have mentioned my house. I saw even NTA going to video the house yesterday when they did not even report what was happening in Maiduguri. They have never reported all these killings, never. When the Boko Haram is being killed that is what they are going to report, but killing the innocent people they have never reported that.

That is why I said let me disabuse your minds on what they said and what I have said is from the bottom of my heart. It is the truth.

Actually what is happening in Maiduguri is beyond anybody’s imagination. It has never happened in this world, in this our current world; even in Afghanistan it has never happened. I seek your indulgence to tell the world the truth.

Is Bama really your nephew?

Yes he is. He is my sister’s son.

Has he ever lived with you?

Yes. He came to my house, when his behaviour… Actually he is a drug addict; he beat up my children, he abused my wife, I sent him away.

When was that?

That was a long time ago, almost about a year. And for whatever reason I don’t know he came to my house once last week and I told my wife that he should leave the house immediately.

Since he is your sister’s son, did you ask your sister if she knew the lifestyle of her son and try to dissuade the boy from his way of life?

Actually he is a drug addict, as I told you; some time ago he even threatened to kill the mother. So, the mother is not even comfortable living with him. She narrated that to me and so that is why I don’t want him to come near me.

Did you know him to be a member of Boko Haram?

I didn’t know him to be a member of Boko Haram. I knew him to be a drug addict.

Have you been contacted by the security people over this?

No, no contact at all.

And your phone lines have been open?

They’re open. It’s only this morning I saw a text message that the SSS DG wants to see me tomorrow.

SSS DG in Abuja?

In Abuja.

What do you suspect is going on?

What I am suspecting is that they wanted to frame me up for telling the truth.

How do you know that that house where they got the boy belongs to the former governor?

It is a known house to everybody around that area. Before it belonged to one Cameroonian and later he sold it to late Tijjani Banki and Sheriff bought it from Tijjani Banki.

Do you see the hand of Sheriff in all this?

I wouldn’t know. I don’t know why the boy is there and then suddenly last week he’s appearing in my house.

Is there any relationship between you and Senator Ali Modu Sherif?

I defeated him in the race hands down. No relationship at all. He has never won election.

What is your take on Boko Haram?

There are different types of Boko Haram. The political Boko Haram is there, that is the Sheriff own. And that is why I don’t take my security lightly. The actual Boko Haram are there. And then there are some who are chipping in and claiming to be Boko Haram, harassing people and extorting money from people. Actually all these killings of today…..the army people went to my house, some Boko Haram went to one of my aides’ house, not Boko Haram per se but those robbers, they went to his place and said, “Senator sent N1.5 million to you to distribute for rams, so, where is the money?” Truly I sent N1 million that day. And he said, “You know it was not given to me but somebody else and that person has bought the rams and distributed”. They ransacked his house and they were able to get about N250,000. They collected the money and said, “Tell Senator he should give us N10 million.” It was the same day the army went to my house. This happened around 8 o’clock and the army went there around 10.

Why do you think they want to frame you up?

You know, I am more prominent than any of those people, because I am a sitting senator, so they cannot take this lightly.

The chief security officer, that is the governor, said he will not be able to guarantee the security of anybody. Why?

Let me tell you one thing. The chief security officer that you are talking about is not the actual governor. Ali Modu Sheriff is the governor. When Sheriff is sitting on a chair, that man (Governor Shettima) cannot sit on a chair, he will sit down on the floor! Take, for example, the deputy governor went to a site where some people were killed and he was walking in the midst of public and he condemned what happened and later on when he came back, Sheriff now told him to revise his statement.

Who told you?

He said it, he said they are not corpses but they are sleeping. He said it on radio. In terms of giving welfare to the people, it is zero. I don’t know where the money is going; they are just sharing the money, whatever Sheriff does with the money, that is it.

I said the JTF should withdraw if they are not going to engage themselves according to the rules of engagement. They are not there to kill people; they are there to counter the insurgence of Boko Haram.

Do you see a link between what is happening to you and what happened to Senator Mohammed Ndume?

Of course, Mohammed was also framed. But my own is very clear, a very clear frame-up, the difference is that my own is known to everybody, it is open, unlike Ndume’s own where the telephone numbers of Boko Haram members were found and this and that.

Had there been any bad blood between you and your main opponent, Sheriff, which climaxed into what is happening now?

Of course, I have bad blood between me and the man I defeated. He is so bitter and he wants me to be hanged anytime. And I used to also call his name in various interviews and say that he is the architect of Boko Haram. It’s very clear.

Do you have any proof of this allegation?

In order to suppress information, he was the one who directed the police to kill Mohammed Yusuf. So, what evidence do I need more than that?

Did the JTF hold your children?

They did not. Actually, some are my guards, some are watchmen, one of them is my brother’s son and the other two are my wife’s brothers. The very boy who led them to that house is my neighbour’s son. They have been released. They called my wife to identify them and she came to identify them.

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Well said....

AHMED ZANNA, BOKO HARAM SENATATOR

You rode on the back of Boko Haram to become a Senator!
You couldn't have defeated Ali Modu Sheriff without the support and assistance of Boko Haram!
I have a poser for you:

1. If Ali Modu Sheriff is behind the Boko Haram terror campaign why then is Boko Haram after his life, his political associates and that of his family members?
2. why was he (Sheriff) chased out of the state by Boko Haram during the election that brought you to power?
3. why is your family still in Medugary, and you frequent that Boko Haram infested city (where politicians are usually the target)without qualms?
4. why did you look the other side when BH were conducting their campaign of terror against innocent defenceless civilians?
you saw nothing wrong with that! you said nothing! now the table has turn and you have suddenly found your voice in defence of your political thugs-BOKO HARAM!

face the real issue

If he sent money to buy ram,that is not ur problem because it their way of religion,the rich giving to the poor. Even abraham share his livestock with his house hold then in the bible. A senators salary should be able to provide 1million naira for one of his important festivals. Some rich non polically inclined nigerians can provide that

boko Haram

hunmmmmmmm !

Bono Senator

the truth is coming out gradually.i thnik the senator is saying the truth.let us hear form Sherrif too

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god help us and help them. But i dont this human beings will just wake up one day and just say that what he want to take as his ocpicatuon is killing inncent souls all round the country. I dont why they are so eager on having avenges even they if say they are fighting 4 a particular reason, thus that reason encourages them on taking revenges even wrongly. Only god can help us in this country.

3 boko haram 1 politicians 2arm robbers 3islamic group

Pdp is the cours of all this boko haram problem in nigeria and alu modu sharrif of borno why gov't they will not arrest this man bcs that they know each other all what I understnd is that is this the only way that they can win election 2015 becs here in north people will fear 2 come out and vote since we know that alu modu sharriff Is working 4 pdp most of the people in north dn't nt like pdp that is why all this thing is happn in north. Qtn have u ever hear that they kill politician son? Why bcs he will indicate dem

RESPECT IS REQUIRED

PLEASE I BEG U RESPECT THE PEOPLE OF THIS SENATORIAL DISTRICT WHO CASTED THEIR VOTES FOR HIM. RECALL HE DEFEATED THE INCUMBENT GOV. THEN. ENGLISH IS NOT THE ONLY MEANS OF COMMUNICATION. ASK CHINA

Globalisation at work

JTF,CAN,CIA,MOSSAD & the Boko Haram project are all one and the same; their agenda is the "NEW WORLD ORDER". Our planet is drying up, China and its communism is now the new economic super power. Making Islam seem like the enemy (B'cos Islamic doctrine doesn't conform with Westernisation) is a means to an end. Today more muslims are dying by what seems to be civil unrest but is really a Capitalist/Zionist plot isn't religious but to secure dominance which is clearly failing. Ask yourselves why did they kill Mohammed Yusuf & who is giving BH arms. Seek knowledge this world is temporary. It's all in the Qur'an.

We Need To Be More Prayerful

Please let us continue praying to have total freedom and victory over Boko Haram. It is well with Nigeria.

We Need To Be More Prayerful

Please let us continue praying to have total freedom and victory over Boko Haram. It is well with Nigeria.

goooooood eng

Among d commentators there is a taut who lack descipline,home training who says sen zanna can't speak gd english but u mr dictionary is good english d ryt word 2 use or fluently?bn. Fluently is not nigerian challenges 4nw.if u dnt knw nw u knw.mind u english language is not our L1 neither do arabic.bt I dnt knw iff ur papa can speak english fluently&english his L1.foool

My Queston is that Mr. modu

My Queston is that Mr. modu sherrif ex governor of maiduguri must be quizzed. This boko haram insurgence statred duirng his own time.

Ahmed Zannah Had been a decent man

Could this be true? Ahmed Zannah had always been a decent man. But everybody in Borno Knew of Ali Sheriff and his dreaded ECOMOG. Why has it been difficult for the federal government to ask Ali Sheriff to account for the where about of members of his dreaded ECOMOG members? Why has it been difficult for FGN to ask Ali Sheriff to explain why senior member of the sect was his commissioners? why was the commissioner kill? What is happening has provided opportunity for the resolution of the Boko if the government is sincere.

Let's us not be blind fold by

Let's us not be blind fold by all this write ups. My own question is that have Nigeria security operatives ever quizz Modu sheri? All this atrocities all stated during his own time. I rest my case.

I read this so called

I read this so called senator's responses to the interview questions and was ashamed. Are these the current crop of leaders in Nigeria? This man can't even communicate properly in English ( I assume English is still the official language and not Arabic), can't follow a thought through carefully and just jabbers. What a shame! Can this man understand legislation, since he is suppose to be a legislator? Can he even understand his role as a senator? This is pathetic and it is clear that Nigeria is being led by illiterate and selfish rogues. No surprises we are getting nowhere. And we won't as long as people like Zanna are senators. I weep for my country!

am sure ur a yoruba guy.

Judging by the name of the parties u called am sure u are a yoruba guy, who always talks with two sides of his mouth. So ACN,apga, and d rest nko?

@NAGODI,NO... NO, IT'S NOT THE SAME

@NAGODI,No country is criminal-free in the world,I also accept that we have a huge problem with criminal acts like you mentioned in your comment.
However what we are talking about here is an organised armed insurgency by a terrorist organisation,to make matters worse the linking of members of the northern political establishment to these acts which have cost more than a thousand deaths through violent bombings,ravaged the economy of a whole region and ethnically and religiously cleansed a region in a secular set-up like Nigeria is just gross.
Terrorism is in a class of its own,the kidnapper or robber needs money but what really does the terrorist want?

This so-called senator must

This so-called senator must be a buffon. Any intelligent reader who has the ability to read between will know from his assertions that intricately and inextricably tied to Boko Haram. If he is allowed to continue roaming the streets and wallowing in the corridors of power, so long and so strong will Boko Haram continue to grow. Are security agents expecting to just admit membership of this killer gang? Unfortunately as we all know, the criminal will go free. This is Nigeria. How about the other senator Ndumme, or whatever his name is, from that same Borno? Is the ruling party hand in gloves with Boko Haram? If no, then why are thay shielding their members with intractable evidences their involvement with the murderers.

CHIKA AUSTIN

"...He has already told the world that he was in Warri when the arrest was made and that renders every other account he has given on the arrest of Bama as eye witness useless. Senator Zanna was not in Borno State when the operation was carried out period. Therefore the Senator is in no position to tell us what happened and how it happened..."

TYPICAL NIGERIAN TRAIN OF THOUGHT! NO WONDER FOOLS RULE US. SO MR. CHIKA WHY DID YOU BELIEVE THE JTF SPOKEMAN, COL. SAGIR UMAR, WHEN HE SAID PUBLICALLY THAT HIS MEN WENT ON AN OPERATION THAT SAW THE ARREST OF A BOKO HARAM COMMANDER IN THE SENATORS HOUSE? HE WAS NOT THERE WAS HE? SHOULD WE REJECT MRS. OGAH'S SSS BRIEFING ALSO SINCE SHE WAS NOT IN ANY SSS OPERATION?

RE:@NAGODI: WE ARE NOT BOUND TO INHERIT NORTHERN MESS

UNFORTUNATELY THE CRISIS IN THE NORTH IS THE LATEST ADDITION TO A CRISIS PRONE NIGERIA. VIOLENCE, KIDNAPPINGS, RAPE AND POLITICAL ASSASSINATIONS HAVE BEEN ENDEMIC IN THE SOUTH YEARS BEFORE BOKO HARAM SURFACED. NO PART OF NIGERIA IS AT PEACE. IF YOU ARE CURRENT YOU WILL KNOW THAT THE MOTHER OF A LEGISLATOR WHO HEADS THE NIGERIAN INTERNAL SECURITY COMMITTEE IS IN THE HANDS OF KIDNAPPERS AS WE SPEAK. HE IS NOT FROM THE NORTH. SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS FROM YOUR AREA IN THE SOUTH ARE AT THE HANDS OF KIDNAPPERS NOW. A SENATOR'S FAMILY WAS RECENTLY KIDNAPPED IN PORTHARCOURT. THEY ARE NOT FROM THE NORTH. THE RECENT IBO-ON-IBO VIOLENCE IN WHICH AN ENTIRE VILLAGE WAS ALMOST WIPED OUT IS FRESH IN OUR MINDS.

AS LONG AS NO PART OF NIGERIA HAS THE GUTS TO UNITE AND BRREAK UP OUR DESTINIES REMAIN THE SAME. BEFORE BOKO HARAM WE THOUGHT MILITANCY, RAPE MURDER AND TERRORISM IS A SOUTHERN EXCLUSIVE. IBO BUSINESSMEN DONT GO HOME FOR CHRISTMAS BECAUSE OF KIDNAPPERS ETC. NOW THE NORTH HAS FALLEN TOO.

Politics of Boko Haram: Reactions on senator Zanna's issue.

Nigerias are confused, first the keaders and now the led. And never can a confused society be able to get out of a doldrum such as this. Mixing everything up with regionalism or ethnicity can't help either. Can we all be sober to help the situation?

@NAGODI: WE ARE NOT BOUND TO INHERIT NORTHERN MESS

NAGODI,prior to 1914,we existed peacefully,always bear that in mind.As an Igbo,I have no ancestral ties with you,that is the reality so don't blackmail me with the silly prediction that the rest of Nigeria will suffer the same fate as the north.
Your terrorist backing elite think they can hold us to ransome because some capitalist colonialists lumped us together and baptised us "Nigeria".If you cannot clean up your mess up north then live with it till we get fed up.
"He who plays the pipe dictates the tune",the funds you keep complaining about comes from the south,it's time for you to keep to the script and accept whatever is given to you with humility or seek out ways of making your north productive,you cannot set fire on your region and jealous other peace-loving regions whose desire is progress.

Re: Senator Ahmed Khalifa Zanna

It would have been very wonderful if Senator Ahmed Khalifa Zanna had kept his mouth shut. By talking too much without wighing the implications of his uttrances, he has given a whole lot of information already. Senator should allow the investigation to go on and stop playing smart. He has already told the world that he was in Warri when the arrest was made and that renders every other account he has given on the arrest of Bama as eye witness useless. Senator Zanna was not in Borno State when the operation was carried out period. Therefore the Senator is in no position to tell us what happened and how it happened. Again,with all that has been going in Brono State and other parts of Northern States as regards security, a serving Senator was not able to get intelligent report on the seccurity situation of his people, even to the involvement of his nephew, then he should apologize to his people, resign and face the music.

NIGERIANS.....BE WARNED

Mmmmmhh..ABCDE----BLAH BLAH BLAH---
we go soon reach Z,nigerians be carefull....
Be warned.

A-Z

mmmmmh....ABCD----we go soon reach Z,
Nigerians be carefull oooooohh

Nigeria my Nigeria

What other better fact do we still need to prosecute these terrorists. This is a first hand information from a man who claimed to be implicating a fellow kingpin, while further exposing himself. But my Nigeria is a country where a highly sensitive drama like this ends like that after part 1. We would pray against this one being swept under the carpet. God help Nigeria.

You sent one million naira

You sent one million naira for them to buy ram so this is what you people do with our money,who were you buying the ram of one million naira from? senator,you are a Boko Haramist period!!!.

GEJ!

All these macabi dance are indicative of a rudderless society.
GEJ is either useless or indicted.
Nonesense Govt!!!.

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