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Your experiences with SR are just as agonizing as mine. Quite often they edit my comments and render them completely different from what I had in mind. At other times they refuse to post at all.
The quran may not have explicitly called the Jews the descendants of apes. But it does so by necessary implication. That is why the muslim regards the Jew as the vilest of creatures. The Saudi ambassador to the Netherlands once told the Dutch Foreign Minster that no visa would be issued to any Jewish journalist who would accompany him on a visit to Saudi Arabia. The visit was promptly cancelled. Ahmadinejad has consistently campaigned for the destruction of Israel and the Jews, including those who do not live in Israel and are nationals of other countries. Islam undeniably generates a pathological hatred for the Jews.
As you have posted your last comment on this, I will also stop here except something stirs it up. I respect you and hope we meet again. Regards.

I quoted from the Arberry version of the quran and after double checking, the quotation is found in sura 2:60. I have made no mistake. However, the 2nd version, edited by Dr. Mahmud Y. Yazid, is as you have stated. It depends on which version one uses. There are numerous verses which contradict quran 2:62. If you really believe what it says, why don't you protest the decision by Saudi Arabia not to allow churches in the islamic kingdom? Mere holding the Bible is a crime which carries prison term. Not far from us is Kano city where the situation closely resembles that of Saudi.Muslims who believe in sura 2:62, should condemn the Saudis for not adhering to the teachings of the quran.
Hitler said in Mein Kampf:" NATIONAL SOCIALISM IS A RELIGION, BORN OUT OF RACE AND BLOOD, NOT A POLITICAL WORLD VIEW-THE RELIGIONS STILL EXISTING MUST DISAPPEAR AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. IF THEY DO NOT DISSOLVE THEMSELVES THE STATE HAS TO DESTROY THEM".Was that Christian?

Islam holds that at birth everybody is innocent until he/she comes in contact with the environment. Ipso facto, no muhammadan is evil until he is in contact with islam. That is why converts to islam commit unimaginable havoc whereas those who leave the religion abhor violence. I am not stubborn but I base my argument on solid facts.The numerals you mentioned are called 'arabic' for unclear reasons. '0'(zero) and the decimal point were invented by the Hindus and came to Arabia after the conquest of India. I have seen the numerals used in the sub-titles on Arabic stations and they hardly resemble we write. Whatever contribution to learning attributed to the Arabs had its origin in some conquered territory being the aspect of the culture which was not destroyed. That was why those who brought such innovations called heretics. Even the sufics suffered persecution.Not many will agree that islam left any profitable legacy for posterity. It is associated more with plundering and destruction.

One is utterly frustrated at the delay with which SR publish postings and there failure to publish many. The sequence is completely messed up, and the logic of discussion totally upset. In spite of myself, i feel compelled to correct this: Pls check again. You got Quran 2:60 completely wrong. You really meant 2:65 But then you completely misinterpreted it. Haba! You sound very educated to me. Surely you understand the meaning of "don't transgress" and "those that transgress" The Quran definitely did not say Jews are descendants of Apes
My dear Kenneth, I have a very strong feeling that something must have happened, that has filled you with so much venom. My advise, - let it go.
I am appalled at your allegation that friendship means nothing to "muhammedans"
I am also surprised that you chose to ignore Quran 2:62, which is so close to 2:60 that you misquoted.

Pls note, those that contributed to the revival of organized learning were mainly Arabs, but Persians (present day Iranians) were known to have made reasonable progress in learning at the time. The Chinese and Indians had there own parallel development. A lot of people are not aware that 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0 were developed by the Arabs. The Arabs invented "0", which revolutionalized mathematics.
Hitler was a CHRISTIAN. He did not close churches as Communists did. He definitely had psychological issues, but he remained a Christian till his death.
One is rather frustrated by the limitation imposed on the number of characters per post.
I must confess that exchanges with you have been very educative. I commend your politeness. Even the fellow that hurled insults at me, provided links which proved quite amusing. oshone.saliu@gmail.com

I am greatly impressed by your knowledge of history. I never said Islam brought learning into existence! The prelude to organised learning may be credited to the Babylonians and ancient Egyptians, and latter to the Greeks. The Romans were not particularly interested in the study of nature. They were more interested in conquest. I wish not to offend any sensibilities, therefore I withhold my comment on the role of the religion of Europe around that time. The stagnation continued until Islam emerged, and Islamic scholars found very rich Greek writings about astronomy, astrology, mathematics, medicine, alchemy, etc. They immediately translated them to Arabic, and continued to advance them . Up till this day, only the Arabic translations of some of such early Greek writings exist. You have stubbornly refused to accept that people should be held responsible for their actions, and not blame any cover.

The same statement is repeated in quran 7:165. As those people who transgressed the Sabbath were told to become apes, what are their offspring?
To show how this was put into practice by Muhammad, Abu Dawud 19:2996 says that he told his companions that if they gained a victory over the Jews they should kill them."SO MUHYYISAH JUMPED OVER SHUBAYBAH, A MAN OF JEWISH MERCHANTS. HE HAD CLOSE RELATIONS WITH THEM. HE THEN KILLED HIM". Obviously, friendship means nothing to the muhammadan bcos Allah says so. In Bukhari 4:52:73 ALLAH'S APOSTLE SAID:'KNOW THAT PARADISE IS UNDER THE SHADOW OF SWORDS'-" Modern day islamists have embraced this without hindrance. On March 25, 2008,Sheik Al-Lehadan, Head of the Supreme Judiciary of S. Arabia told the Al Watan Daily:"-AFTER GETTIG RID OF THE JEWS IN ARABLAND,WE MUST TURN TO THE CHRISTIANS.THEY HAVE 3 OPTION:-CONVERT TO ISLAM, OR LEAVE, OR PAY THE JIZIA". From the foregoing and more, religion is the bedrock of islamists actions. Know that my friend.

As a result of the sanctuary given muslims by the Negus, they make up at least 30% of the Ethiopian population and are responsible for all the havoc in that country and beyond. What did the Negus' kind gesture avail the Ethiopians or himself? BH are not ignoramuses. Ibrahim Saad calls their late leader, 'sheik' on this blog and Ibrahim is far from being ignorant. To muslims, things must be done their own way. That is why they have islamic medicine(whatever it means).Bh killed those workers bcos they did not practice 'islamic medicine'.
Muhammadanism stands on the trilogy of the quran, hadith and sira. They compliment and supplement each other. Anything found in any of them has to be followed by the muslim. The Jews observe the Sabbath. In quran 4:50 Allah says:"-AND WE CURSED THE SABBATH-MEN-". Quran 4:150"-TRANSGRESS NOT THE SABBATH. Quran 2:60 "-AND WELL YUO KNOW THERE WERE THOSE AMONG YOU THAT TRANSGRESSED THE SABBATH, AND WE SAID TO THEM 'BE YOU APES'-".

Since SR has refused to attend to my protest for not posting my earlier replies, I have decided to post them again. Any repetition is the fault of SR. The reader should hold them accountable.
BH is acting on behalf of islam.They are not isolated in their modus or objectives. Bombing of churches is a small matter to the muhammadan. Sometime last year the highest cleric in Bahrain said that anybody who regards a church as a place of worship is not a muslim. Churches are being destroyed daily in Egypt. Muslims do not protest the action of their Egyptian brothers. Muhammad did receive the deputation from Najran who defeated him in the argument on the Holy Trinity based on his own 'revelation'. Shortly after, he sent Khalid ibn Walid with a dawa giving Najran a 3 day ultimatum to convert or face the sword. The Negus of Abyssinia was stupid enough to accommodate the 'persecuted' muslims. Muhammad would later ask him to convert or face the consequence.

You said that history of science has credited islam with the revival of organized learning. For anything to be revived it means that it must have first existed. Islam, according to you, only helped in the revival. It never brought into existence. But it has to be said that those who made some contributions were regarded as heretics and they came from cultures which had valued learning b4 the advent of islam. These were mostly Persians and Indians whose forbears were great thinkers. They did not contribute just as muslims but as people with a pedigree of learning. In our era,the first 2 muslim Nobel laureates in science are regarded as infidels bcos one is an Ahmadiyya while the other lives in S. America. The first muslim Nobel laureate in literature had his books banned in muslim countries and was stabbed at a very old age for blasphemy. Boko haram are only following in the footsteps set by the islamic prophet as can be found in the trilogy of quran, sira and hadith.

When was the last time Hitler attended Church? Under him schools were forced to replace crucifixes with his pictures. Prayers in schools were offered to Hitler and no more to God. Would anybody try that in muhammadanism and have his head on his neck? Rashad Khalifa called himself the next messenger and was killed in Tucson, Arizona for it. Hitler had no reason to hide his love for islam and its 'prophet'. On 21 April, 1944, he told Amin Husseini: "I AM HAPPY THAT YOU ARE WITH US NOW AND YOU ARE IN A POSITION TO ADD YOUR STRENGTH TO THE COMMON CAUSE". Himmler, the next most powerful Nazi leader added that the islamic world view was very "MUCH LIKE OUR OWN". Hitler lamented the muslim defeat in Europe which he saw as having denied Germany her leadership position in the continent. Was he really a Christian?
Islam stands on a tripod of quran, hadith and sira. One compliments and supplements the other.The Jews are sabbatharians. SEE THE NEXT POST.

Don't deny that Hitler was a CHRISTIAN. He was known to attend church services. If he so admired Islam, he didnt have any reason to hide it. Please show me where the quran refereed to Jews as "descendants of apes and pigs" and the statement that paradise is under the shade of swords.
I do not intend to defend the acts of anyone. But I insist that we should remove religious tag from the acts of individuals or groups, and hold them responsible for their actions or in-actions, even if such groups make efforts to use religion as a convenient cover for their obnoxious acts, as unfortunately is the case with many Muslim groups. Talking about Boko Haram and their atrocities, go and read the history of science, and you will find the role of Islam in the revival of organised learning, which had stagnated in Europe during the dark ages. Hence Islam was called the religion of the learned. And now we have a group that is opposed to learning (in the name of Islam!!!!) Na wa.

By bringing in Boko Haram, you 'spoil matter patapata'. Pls recall that this discussion ensued from the despicable act of those that gunned down 9 health workers, whose perceived offense is that they tried to vaccinate children, in order to give them a better quality of life. How can you be surprised that such stupid statements are coming from such a group. The fundamental issue is that they are not acting on behalf of Islam. A group that bombs churches, and kills people during their worship? During the time of Muhammad, he received a Christian delegation in the mosque. Then it was time for worship by the delegation, and he (Muhammad) ordered that the mosque be vacated to allow the visitors carry out their worship. Islamic History also tells us that when the Meccans tried to wipe out the early Muslims, it was the Christian ruler of Negus (Abyssinia) that gave sanctuary to the Muslims. You are looking at a group of ignoramuses that call themselves BH.

"-DID KHOMEINI KILL THE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY WERE NON MUSLIMS,-". Why does this surprise you? The head of Boko Haram says his duty is to rid Nigeria of non muslims and that killing a kafir was nothing to him. It is like killing a chicken or ram. No feelings at all. Khomeini said the same thing. He called such killing a favour to the victim. Tabari wrote that killing infidels was a small matter for the muhammadan. Those bh wants to kill like chicken, what offence have they committed? Hitler was much more at home with islam than he was with Christianity which he called 'MEEK AND FLABBY'. He saw islam as the religion that opened the gate of the 7th heaven to the warrior. All of Hitler's methods of mass extermination were copied from Ottoman Turkey. He openly admired islam and Muhammad. The quran calls the Jews "descendants of apes and pigs". Muslims are to eat their food? WOW! "THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION" yet paradise is under the shade of swords.

On 5 April, 1977 Adam Malik, then foreign minister of Indonesia told the Sydney Times that during the first two years of Indonesian occupation of East Timor between "50,000 and 80,000 people were killed" in that unfortunate half island. By the time Indonesia left 1/3 of the population had been eliminated. No muslim country condemned that heinous atrocity. The reason was that the E. Timorese were different being unbelievers. There has to be proof of someone making an effort to twist facts or misrepresenting them. Such unfounded accusation will not stop the facts from being presented. The decimation of Muhammad's family shows how islam thrives on violence right from its inception. It shows that the purpose of the muhammadan belief is to get its adherents to paradise by eliminating others and sending them to hell. There are many who believe that one has a right to be different and whatever he does should be left for the creator to judge.Our duty is to love all.

Based on quran 8:55 and similar ones, islam has divided the world in to two: the house of islam and the house of war. Islam is permanently at war with the non muhammadans. Quran 9:29 urges a relentless war on the unbelievers until they accept islam and pay the compulsory tax in total humiliation. I do not know if war to you means handing out candy bars to the enemy. It means death and destruction. That was the fate of the various tribes during Muhammad's time and it has not changed. If the quran calls death to apostates for leaving islam, is it the unbeliever who will be spared? On 7 Feb., 2013 Egyptian clerics issued a fatwa calling for death to secular politicians and justified the rape of female demonstrators at Tahir square calling them prostitutes who had no approved male companies. On the commands attributed to Muhammad I gave you Ishaq and Tabari. In Al-Ahram,April 7, 2006,Ali Gom'a, Grand Mufti of Egypt asked Muslims to kill non believers wherever they found them.

It is always important to keep to facts, and not try to twist them in order to score points or make someone else feel bad. While I am trying to verify the allegations that Khomeini killed non Muslims and said they were animals, Khomeini is a human being, that had capacity to act on his own behalf, and not on behalf of every Muslim. If indeed such an event happened, did Khomeini kill the people because they were non Muslims, or because they committed offences? Can you say the atrocities committed by Hitler was on behalf of Christians?
The Quran says "there is no compulsion in religion" And it says the food of Christians and Jews is lawful for Muslims. The assertion that Muhammad said two religions cannot coexist in Arabia is very doubtful.

Quran 8:55 says: "The worst of creatures in God's view are those who disbelieve. They have no faith". It didn't tell anyone to go and kill them. If someone decides to assault anyone else because of that, clearly, he acted on his own, and you cannot correctly blame Islam for his action. Are you really SURE about the command that you attributed to Muhammad, and the incidences and comments attributed to Khomeini? Rather than making so much effort to twist facts or misrepresent them, probably in order to make someone else feel bad, like the fellow that made some vile insinuations about Islam, I think that everyone should be guided by the purpose of his belief/religion. For many people, it is the promise of miracles/breakthroughs(financial,etc.). For others, it is an effort to find God and achieve salvation in the hereafter, etc. As for the decimation of the family of Muhammad after his death, please note that power struggle has always been there, and can be traced to all religions.

Quran 8:55 says that the worst beasts in the sight of Allah are the unbelievers. Muhammad went on to command that the non muslims should be expelled from the Arabian peninsula. Was this based on the muslims fighting injustice by those they had completely defeated and subjugated? He told them that two religions could not co-exist in Arabia. Muslims see this as a clarion call and have not departed from it. Khomeini killed non muslims and when they was an out cry, he responded that no human beings had been killed, only animals were. Why does it not surprise you that what was left of Muhammad's family after his death was decimated by his own followers? A driver whose 'perfect' car kills because of an undetected fault will at the very worst be charged with manslaughter instead of murder. He could even be set free.The muhammadan is not evil from birth. It is the religion that makes him so. That is why islam is blamed for those "despicable acts".

Violence in islam is endemic. It finds support both in the text and practice. Those who resort to violence base their actions on the religion. That is quite different from people struggling against injustice. There is no other religion which preaches and practices hate like islam.Ishaq quoted Muhammad as telling his followers that they had more reasons to hate the Jews than the Jews had to hate them. Tabari records that the battle cry of Muhammad's followers was "KLII 1, KILL 11, KILL 111". One of Ali's sayings is that "JIHAD IS THE HIGHWAY OF PROSPERITY".Isn't there clear incentive for violence in these statements? They were not uttered by mistake but for effect. Timothy McVeigh did not kill in the name of religion. Hitler's greatest non European supporter and confidante was the head of the muslim world at that time-Hajj Amin El-Husseini. He can not be exonerated from what happened im WW2. The crisis in Algeria, Mali, Somalia, Kenya have only islamic content.

Here, we are talking about the 'religion' founded by an ARMED ROBBER, who attacked and plundered caravans in the Arabian desert in the 7th Century in order to sustain himself and his band of criminals followers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caravan_Raids

a MASS MURDERER who carried out campaign of killing orgies in the Arabian Peninsular and beyond:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge/massmurderer.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj9gsPMxOWo

the SEX ADDICT who told women to breastfeed adult men:

http://www.meforum.org/2664/fatwa-men-drink-breast-milk

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/denmark/T91T3MGR337SKRTTK ,

A PAEDOPHILE who raped a six year old girl (Aisha) and encouraged his followers to follow his example?

Only crazy people like you and your folks can revere or follow such a person.

That is why we need to excise and confine you to an enclave where you can continue with your despicable habit.

By "Christian Terrorists" I mean terrorists that call themeselves Christians. That should not put Christianity on trial. But any time anyone that calls himself a Muslim carries out any despicable act, Christians immediately call Islam. Don't blame the perfect car, if the driver chooses to get drunk, and drive recklessly.
Timothy Mcveigh bombed Oklahoma City Building, Killing 166 people and injured over 800, on April 19, 1995. Immediately, the western media screamed "Islamic terrorists" But them the perpetrators turned out to be Roman Catholic Christians, and no one thereafter mentioned "Christianity", because it is not Christianity. Foday Sanko and his RUF were Christians, supported by Christian Charles Taylor.
The point to this is,: blame those responsible for despicable acts, and not Islam.

The fact is that whenever people feel oppressed rightly or wrongly, or whenever there is rampant injustice, or when there are some perceived economic benefits, people tend to resort to one form of struggle or another, often leading to various degrees of violence, religion or no religion. Please note that the most mind bugling atrocities known to man were committed by Christians against Christians/Jews during the 2nd world war. Therefore, there is no point blaming the perfect car, if the driver chooses to be drunk and drive recklessly.
By the way, Foday Sanko's RUF got support from Charles Taylor! No Muslim among them!

Your attempt to distance muhammadanism from its atrocities and then rope Christianity into what is not remotely linked to it is both bizarre and disingenuous.Facts have been twisted to give credibility to ur fantasy. From available records, the vast majority of terrorist organizations are muhammadan. Many others receive support from muhammadans. The Lord's Resistance Army would have been extinct by now had it not been kept alive by muhammadan Sudan.FARC is a left wing terrorist group in S. America which kidnaps priests as well.The IRA received military support, including SAM-7 missiles, supplied to Libya's Ghaddafi by the defunct Soviet Union. The Revolutionary Brigade is communist. How is that Christian? ETA has been in Spain before Christianity arrived there.The Red Army, Red Brigade and Shinning Path are both Marxist.PKK is Kurdish and muhammadan.Aum Shinrikyu is Japanese.What is Christian about it? KKK died decades ago? The quran validates any violence in the Bible.

Mr. EMMANUEL MOHAMMED is as uneducated as most people, who try hard to paint Islam black, by dragging the name of Islam into (unacceptable) terrorist acts of a very tiny minority of people, who are in fact not qualified to be called Muslims. Emmanuel is probably unaware of the following:
Lord's Resistance Army (Christian terrorists, Uganda)
FARC (Christian Terrorists, Colombia)
Revolutionary Brigade (Christian Terrorists, Greece)
IRA (Christian Terrorists, Ireland)
ETA (Christian Terrorists, Spain)
Red Army (Christian Terrorists, Germany)
Sicarii, (Jewish Terrorists)
Shining Path - Peru
Red Brigades (Italy)
Aum Shinrikyo - Japan
PKK - Turkey
Klu Klux Klan - America
etc, etc.

And for the insinuation that "terrorism is there in their Quoran" Check your holy book, and you will see commands that are clearly terrorist. Before you aim to remove the speck in another man's eye, first remove the log in your.

Shut up u dog, may be u forgot that you igbos are the most useless people in Nigeria. All your agenda against the north is being exposed and by the will of Allah we shall crush all of u. We will fish u out and annihilate u from the surface of this globe. Anybody that has a hand or connection in the destruction of the north will die like the ingrate pig Andrew awaye asasi . We firmly believed that Allah Almighty will help us restore peace and harmony in the northern Nigeria. our beloved religion of Islam teaches us love, tolerance, justice equality and peaceful coexistence with one another. But the politicians have succeeded in dividing us and creating enemity and hatred through the use of religion and ethnicity. Allah is watching and Allah will help the obedient and believing servants.

Since our northern brothers chose to live in the past and resent modernity, they should be left alone. there is no point imposing civilization and advances in technology on them. Government should learn that what is good for the goose is not necessarily good for the gander. May the souls of those patriotic Nigerians fell by those barbarians rest in peace.

"--BUT WHY ARE THE TALIBANS TERRORISTS N NOT THE IRA?-". About 5 Irish armed groups are designated as terrorist. Out of 142 recognized terrorist organizations in the world, 91 are muhammadan. This is a 2012 classification which does not include boko haram and the Malians. Next come the Marxists accounting for 15 out of the lot. Others make up the difference. Yet the muhammadans are responsible for not less than 90% of all terrorist attacks in the world. No single day passes by without Muhammad's followers killing people in tens or multiples of tens. Even the communists, who were dubiously active in the '60s and '70s, now appear as amateurs compared to the muhammadans. That is what you have chosen to call the "pleasure of armed struggle". Both the communists and Irish terrorists still showed some decency of not killing indiscriminately. In virtually every case they selected their targets carefully. They did not declare war on places of worship.

"--BUT WHY ARE THE TALIBANS TERRORISTS N NOT THE IRA?-". About 5 Irish armed groups are designated as terrorist. Out of 142 recognized terrorist organizations in the world, 91 are muhammadan. This is a 2012 classification which does not include boko haram and the Malians. Next come the Marxists accounting for 15 out of the lot. Others make up the difference. Yet the muhammadans are responsible for not less than 90% of all terrorist attacks in the world. No single day passes by without Muhammad's followers killing people in tens or multiples of tens. Even the communists, who were dubiously active in the '60s and '70s, now appear as amateurs compared to the muhammadans. That is what you have chosen to call the "pleasure of armed struggle". Both the communists and Irish terrorists still showed some decency of not killing indiscriminately. In virtually every case they selected their targets carefully. They did not declare war on places of worship.

"--BUT WHY ARE THE TALIBANS TERRORISTS N NOT THE IRA?-". About 5 Irish armed groups are designated as terrorist. Out of 142 recognized terrorist organizations in the world, 91 are muhammadan. This is a 2012 classification which does not include boko haram and the Malians. Next come the Marxists accounting for 15 out of the lot. Others make up the difference. Yet the muhammadans are responsible for not less than 90% of all terrorist attacks in the world. No single day passes by without Muhammad's followers killing people in tens or multiples of tens. Even the communists, who were dubiously active in the '60s and '70s, now appear as amateurs compared to the muhammadans. That is what you have chosen to call the "pleasure of armed struggle". Both the communists and Irish terrorists still showed some decency of not killing indiscriminately. In virtually every case they selected their targets carefully. They did not declare war on places of worship.